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Registered: 03 Apr 06 : 22:57
Reply to this | I am going to need this. I need to work on my rolls. I keep finding myself sliding instead of rolling. lmao |
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Registered: 15 Jan 06 : 17:39
Reply to this | In all the DB vids I've reviewed, he always rolls over his right shoulder. Anybody ever see a left-sided roll? |
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Registered: 26 Jun 08 : 18:34
Reply to this | I roll naturally on my left side. |
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Reply to this | As far as I can tell, he doesn't do rolls over his opposite side. It's rare that it's needed in Parkour. Best to master one side first so as to at least have that. The opposite side is optional =P |
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Registered: 15 Jan 06 : 17:39
Reply to this | I'm going to have to disagree with that. In most situations, we have a good amount of choice between which side we want to roll on, and we'll tend to push into rolling on the side we're more comfortable on. You always fall in a straight line, but your body could be spinning while in the air, like if you're coming out of a reverse. Spin counter-clockwise and you'll naturally go into a right-sided roll, and vice versa. It would take effort to go from spinning one direction to rolling the opposite way. It's something I'll be on the lookout for if I decide to re-watch Generation Yamakasi. |
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Reply to this | I think we agree on this. As you you said, in most situations you have a choice. That's why I said it's rare to need the opposite side. I find in teaching people, if they try to get both sides at the same time, they end up never really getting it right on either side. So that's why I advise mastering one side and not focusing too much on the opposite.
However, there are the rare occasions when you could possibly need the other side. Yet more than likely, one will do what they can to avoid that. It's not something that people just learning to roll should concern themselves with. I find nothing wrong with being able to do stuff on both sides, but not at the expense of quality technique. Poor technique is not safe. ;-P |
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Registered: 31 Aug 05 : 17:58
Reply to this | I disagree with the both sides thing. If you practice on both sides you may become confused when it comes time to actually roll. I don't reccomend it. Hesitation at that moment can result in injury.
I have never had to roll on the left side. and from the right I can go in basically whatever direction I want.
An analogy is how boxers and other athletes train. You practice from one stance 99% of the time.
I also don't recommend twisting before you hit the ground. You will unconsiously shift your weight to one side and blow your knee - which defeats the point of the roll to begin with. You want to have your weight even on both legs with no twisting or spinning. Then when you hit the ground you twist your torso into the roll.
I know it sounds great in theory to roll on both sides. But it not practical. |
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Registered: 02 Sep 06 : 13:19
Reply to this | If you want to know how to roll, I personally know that the martial arts of Judo and Aikido teach how.
There are other ways, those are the ones I know.
Quick tip: If left foot forward, then left arm forward... vice versa too.
also, fingers of leading hand point down and back to the toes of the trailing foot, making the circle.
another tip, this helps quite a bit; start learning the roll with one knee on the ground. The other leg... with the knee forward is your leading leg.
too many words; i blab a lot.
Rafe |
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Registered: 15 Jan 06 : 17:39
Reply to this | I learned the hard way that the aikido rolls I practiced on mats don't work on concrete; you roll over too many bony parts of your body. Also, aikido teaches the circle idea where you roll along the side of your arm, which I guess works when you're flying headfirst after being thrown, but that just doesn't make sense since you can't support the force of your falling body along the edge of your arm. I like to think that the parkour roll is more like allowing your body to collapse and compress onto the stronger parts of your body as you fall to the ground, i.e. your hands and back. |
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Reply to this | The martial arts roll is NOT the Parkour roll.
To start, with the Parkour roll, you do NOT want one foot forward. You need to start square with both feet parallel. If you start from a kneeling position, you don't have one knee up and one down. You have both knees down.
The reason for this is if you are coming down from a drop, you want to evenly distribute the pressure and not force it through one leg.
I'm not sure about the other stuff you described as I'm not sure what you mean. The Parkour roll is similar to a shoulder roll, but you roll below your shoulder bone so you don't destroy it.
I personally don't know the martial arts roll so I can't say all the differences, but I have seen people doing it and like wasabe4885 pointed out, it doesn't work for concrete. I do know the Parkour roll and it does work for concrete.
Rafe, watch this Roll Analysis video carefully. Watch what he is doing and you'll see the difference. |
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Registered: 23 Oct 06 : 14:18
Reply to this | LoL witch one should i go with ?
j/k |
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Registered: 18 Dec 06 : 19:26
Reply to this | Just like to make a quick comment on the martial arts roll. I have been doing Aikido for about 17 years, and the Parkour roll is the advanced Aikido roll. It's true the basic roll uses a foot forward and the shoulder bone, but that is to teach beginners to get the proper forward motion, and to protect their head and neck.
The advanced roll is done from a parallel stance like the Parkour roll, and looks exactly the same as the one in this video.
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Reply to this | I think you guys are being a little to general with the term "Martial Arts Roll". I have a big interest in Mixed Martial Arts and I can attest that there are multiple kinds of rolls from multiple arts. As Taihuo mentioned, Aikido offers a simple roll for learning to land on a mat, as well as a more advanced variation for learning to roll on hard surfaces. Brazilian Jujitsu teaches you to roll from a squating position, almost a horse stance, placing the back of your palm on the ground between your legs and rolling over the same shoulder. I posted a brief description of the ninjitsu forward roll in another thread but there are multiple rolls and variations in just that art alone. Some of these apply to Parkour more than others but you have to remember that all MA rolls are designed with different functions than just efficient energy transfer.
I dont think that these secondary functions always have to interfere with your parkour training but by removing the bells and whistles you are left with more efficiency and I think thats what the Parkour roll is designed for. I agree with Cliff in that a begginer should focus on what works/developing good technique and not get caught up with the excess that different Martial Arts rolls might bring with them. However, we shouldn't close ourselves off to learning new ways of doing things. We are at the very begging stages to the evolution of free movement. |
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Registered: 03 Jun 07 : 23:30
Reply to this | I agree with liquid on that. we need to remove most of the decorations of a roll, and focus more on energy transfer and fluency for a roll rather than from a stance. I also agree with landing with even distribution, as it helps even out your momentum from vertical to lateral. |
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Registered: 10 Oct 08 : 18:58
Reply to this | I still havnt found the courage to roll on concrete yet. Any tips? |
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Registered: 10 Jan 09 : 00:10
Reply to this | David Belle is a TRUE NINJA AWSOME VID. I love it |
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Registered: 10 Jan 09 : 00:10
Reply to this | And one of these days, I want to be at that level. |
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Registered: 08 Jan 09 : 21:19
Reply to this | You watch naruto a lot huh su.
Anyways I finally saw what I was doing wrong with my roll. I was to in the middle between my shoulders instead of just focused on one which worked but it took a lot out of me to avoid my neck so I try this way now. |
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Registered: 07 Jun 08 : 01:49
Reply to this | i also agree with liquid, i have actually been doing mixed martial arts for six years and the roll we use is far different from this roll. we roll over the shoulder almost to the point of rolling over our trapazoids. we do this because when you come up from the roll in this fashion your feet are evenly spaced and you have the chance to go back into your stance before getting punched in the face and almost everyone rolls over their left shoulder because most everybody fights in the orthodox stance. but anyway, this roll is very unique and is meant to transer momentum so you dont get hurt while rolling on cement |
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Registered: 15 Jun 09 : 23:30
Reply to this | that video and especially Wasabe's dems and training helped me so much! haha i'm starting to feel a lot more comfortable on th cement while rolling. |
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Registered: 29 Mar 09 : 01:29
Reply to this | [link][/Advanced Parkour Roll Tutorial] damn good roll vid |
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Registered: 29 Mar 09 : 01:29
Reply to this | -link-
sorry cant figure out how to use the link format thing right ;) |
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Registered: 06 Apr 10 : 22:56
Reply to this | I think that in terms of left or right you should master both, so you aren't trying to force a jump or a movement to unnaturally or awkwardly go into your more comfortable roll side, instead learn and master both sides, so if the time comes you won't be taking extra risk or loosing fluidity by trying to force a right/left handed roll where the opposite would be more beneficial. This is something highlighted in the video where Belle lands on the corner of a roof and his roll causes him to roll slightly towards the left due to his technique, had he been landing on an opposite corner, doing that same roll could put him pretty close to the edge. |
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