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David's message. Important.

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ACE

Thu 08 Jun 2006 : 18:44

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So, as many of you know, David and Cyril recently made a trip to the United States in promotion of B-13 and Danno from Toronto also joined them on their trip. He spent alot of time talking with David and talking with Cyril, this is what he has to say about that. (The original thread can be found here [link]

The accompanying video can be found here - David Belle is Human
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Pkdanno wrote:
Ok little post from me (related to this topic)...

Thomas, I agree with you like 99%!
I think our friend Erwan has given up too fast on what Parkour is and I still have a little bit of hope since all is not lost yet. :P :P Theres still people out there that can make a different and I still do think the members of this site and others have the power to stop Parkour from going downhill, but even after saying that I fear that they will not. So thats where I believe Erwans standpoint comes from, and I believe his words will come true unfortunetly. The 'other sites' feed on the insecurities and lack-of-knowledge people have on Parkour and since no one really has the spirit that people like me and you work so HARD to find and they are easily persuaded. With that being said I want to go a little off topic before I speak again of this...

For those that don't remember/know, I recently spent some time with David and Cyril in the states. David was very talkative to me because of a couple reasons, A. Im good friends with Erwan, a man he respects alot.. ;) B. Everything around him in both those cities was fake and he told me he saw something more real in me. Everyone was crowding him, asking him silly questions, getting him to sign silly things, getting him to do and answer things so that websites and tv could use it for their advantage and sell him. Treating him like a monkey... A true monkey.. At times it was hard to watch as some people who had real and honest things to ask him didnt even get a chance. Without even speaking to most people I could see right through them and their intentions shined so strong, I lost a lot of respect for the American Scene that trip and the way someone like David was handled. It could have been such a better experience for David but unfortunetly :( because America is a place where there is very little "Parkour spirit".

When me and David/Cyril talked, I came in not wanting to talk about moves or definitions, or what is your view on this subject, or can I make a living off parkour... All silly worthless questions to me because you have a man standing next to you that has done so much in his life, why waste your time with questions like that. I wanted to learn about Davids spirit, and thats what I did. I told him that I came with so many questions in my head, but his actions answered most of them without him even having to talk. I've only met 1 person like him before in my life with the same true spirit, funny enough he is also someone posting in this thread. ;) I talked to David about the MN, his father, his life, his dreams and goals when I was in NY/LA with him because as you Thomas I am making my own decisions and want to explore more and be a warrior just like you. We share similar paths my friend and hopefully we will meet on it one day.

The following is an account as accurate and word for word (mostly paraphrased because I dont want to put quotes people will use of David) as I can while ommiting some things I wish not to say on public forums. If David Belle and things we talked about dont interest you, skim through or skip this part. I do feel that this story is somewhat related to this topic and thats the reason Im writing it out.

David told me that the thing wrong with Parkour communities is the way people get into it from these sites and watching videos. He said instead of living, people tend to copy, which isnt a bad thing but its something where they will have a harder time trying to find the true essence he was after. It's also not their way, when you copy someone and do things you think you should be only doing, you are essentially a trapped soul. He said if things were correct, before even doing anything "Parkour", people should train 2 years in the MN correctly to learn the proper spirit and real meaning behind what he is after and why he created Parkour. Without this he said its hard to understand why he does what he does. He told me his dad trained extensively in the MN and David still has great great respect for George Hébert today as it being a great method for physical/mental awareness/advancement. He looked into the sky and smiled and said "Homme fort" and nodded his head. The spirit of Parkour, the real spirit, is found in those roots. Natural roots. It was much easier for him to help in France as with his original group they could feed off his ideas/spirit and his fathers inspiration very easily, but as he didnt know it was going to grow to this level, the steps taken weren't correct. But as I will say later, there was never suppost to be any steps.

He said another great thing wrong with Parkour and something that upsets him is people that use others for their own good. People who think they are overqualified, that think their words and ways are the only right ways, that feed off other people, that put others down and stop them from growing... all those things and many more. That people look upto these leaders and wait and watch for them to do something then are like lemmings and do the same thing; they essentially let the people that run these sites do the thinking for them. He really doesnt understand how people follow and listen to every word these businessman who have no parkour experience say and treat these words like gospel. This is one of the biggest problems in Parkour he said, that people aren't free anymore when infact Parkour to liberate; they are not free to chose what is right and wrong to them, they are told. He infact doesnt even want people to treat his words like gospel, and that being said I was never going to write about my experience with him just because I thought it was 'above' what people who are on these websites are looking for. Its almost setting people up to become what David doesnt want.

But like I mentioned above, he said it was never his duty to become an ambassador and that has never interested him one bit. He is a do-er for himself, a free warrior, in the sense that while many sit around and think, he is living and still at 33 pushing hard to reach goals to find trueness and realness. Parkour is only 1 thing, it's something he found his way in and named, and it's just there now to help people find their own way, that's all. Like Erwan said, which are very strong words, "Live and Learn" or the very common, "Follow your heart" or "Do whats real". Cyril and Belle both stressed to me that week that it's great to try and copy sometimes, but the real passionate ones will look and pull things here and there from Cyril, Belle, other great atheletes and then with those things mold them into their own path. It's exactly what they both do. He told me a story about how his friend showed him a video of a guy climbing the side of a mountain with no harness really really fast. He said it was incredible that these rock climbers can do that, that they can hold their bodyweight with one finger. He said, "I want to do that too, but its hard to imagine, but ill keep training". David's a dreamer and hes on his own path, and while it inspires us, we all have to learn that to be real, we have to find our own.

People shouldnt be doing things just to win a contest, or make a video because a site tells you to, or because a site tells you something it is the only way you should train. No one should be told what to do indefinetly on any context, its just not the way. Take what you learn from all these sites and take in all the info you can get from many apon many different places and find out what is right for YOU. Without doing that, you will never have any spirit, and essentially you will always be trapped in a box and probably being used by someone or someplace. :(

I will quote Cyril for a second since we also talked about this topic and he said something funny:

I check my site sometimes. I look at the first couple things and try to respond but thats all I have the time for. People don't understand that we just don't have the time! We could come online and talk to each person and make sure they know flips aren't Parkour (he laughed) but then we would not be in the place we are now. I had two choices, I could sit at home and eat pizza and pepsi infront of the computer all day, or I could train, I chose to train.

Anyways.. back to my story..

When we were in LA David did something that was really special to me. He refused to perform, even while under contract, because he knew himself what he was doing was totally fake. They would not let him do what he wanted to do, and portray Parkour the way he wanted to show it. Let me explain more...

He was standing alone at a drop of about 30 feet a bit upset and he looked like he was just thinking and I walked over to him and hit him on the shoulder and said "Ok Im waiting, go for it" maybe to cheer him up. He laughed then I asked him if his training would allow him to do such a jump and he said he could but only because his years and years of training. Then he shook his head and went on to say ...

All these people here, they come and they want me to do big things, expect me to do big drops so they can sell pictures, put it on their websites, whatever. But what is my motivation then? I could do this jump once and maybe get hurt, but even if I dont get hurt what is the point right here, right now? To make these people happy? If my family was over there and needed me, I wouldn't even hesitate. I would do it for them and thats who I train and do these things for. Im not a monkey Dan, I can't be treated like one. I don't understand how people want to put themselves into great risk for money. I've trained so long and hard for myself, to save people, to protect my family... People get into Parkour now just train in order to do risks for media, I just can't understand why they would do so. That was never the goal of Parkour. Money changes people, but that money cannot change my goal, my motivation or why I do this. Im on tour now for you, Im here talking to you so you can help others and thats how things work, never think its the other way around. Im doing this for you guys, to inspire you, thats it.

He was really upset that day, you could see in his body language, his general expressions, he wasnt happy. The day before though, he was extremely happy.

We we're training at UCLA, the university there in Los Angeles. it was only 4 of us that day, no media, no one asking for pictures or anything, and I was truely blessed to see him in his own atmosphere. Theres many things that were interesting about that day, but the most interesting or strongest message was that of when he fell. He had taken a bad fall and cut his back and his arm up trying to do a sautchat -> sautbras. He hit his shin/foot on the wall and fell forward into the gap, hitting the wall then falling to the ground. It was only 6 feet high so he was ok and got up instantly. The first thing he did was check to make sure Pierre was ok who he had almost fallen on, right away, 0 hestitation to help Pierre even before himself.

After that was when the interesting thing happened.

He smiled, and continued smiling. He laughed, and giggled like a little highschool girl. I looked at him and he said "CA! Ca c'est le vrai Parkour" (This! This is real Parkour) ... He spoke so fast, and so happy. He continued to be so excited. He said that this is what he lives for, this realness, this feeling that his life is real, that things can happen, that life is unpredictable. All great! He told me to look at his hands so dirty with caluses, so happy he was! We then showed him the video footage, as we were recording a few things he did that day because he wanted souvenirs, and he was so happy we got the fall. Instantly he pointed to me and said to put it all over the internet, so everyone can see him fall and see that he is human and falls just like everyone else out there, that hes no different at all. He said he trained Parkour for 18 years and still on such a simple jump a mistake can happen. Thats how real Parkour is and thats why everyone has to be careful doing it and to make sure they are not taking risks. Did he try again? No, the obstacle won that time, as so his training is never complete.

The best part of falling is getting back up again. If that phrase doesnt examplify what David showed us all there that day, I dunno what would ever!

Anyways Ill stop for a second... what does this have to do with anything? Good question. Lately the notion as Parkour becoming a sport has been going on everywhere because it was listed on Pawas site. Well I have a few things to say about this....

David Belle certainly doesn't think of Parkour as a sport. From everything he told me, from what I saw, from what we talked about that I havent even posted about... To him Parkour is the same thing Thomas has described it in his first post. Exactly the same. David has become so free in a sense outdoors that he pays very little attention to anything else, because so, I feel that Pawa doesnt even have the right to use his name at all since he is a single free entity. It's hard to say what will happen with the future of Pawa, but I can certainly say that Pawa and what it has done so far is not a good representation at all of what David believes, and I question Joss' motives. He outlined very well in different words and teachings he gave me in the USA on how we can fix Parkour and how we can make it more real. I was lucky enough to have been talking to Erwan for a long time now and I have slowly changed the way the community is based here in Toronto, but its upto the rest of you globally to make a difference. If not you can sit and watch while "official/true Parkour" disapears

To those who know anything about Parkour they will not push this concept or idea of it being a sport as its ludacris. The ones pushing it are also the same ones brainwashing communities and people should wake up and realize this is happening and stop contributing, helping, keeping them alive. We need to be strong as a community and put an END to these sites that have video contests giving away prizes or that tell people how what and where they should be doing something. We need to wake up as a community and realize whats going on out there. Harder then it seems, but hey... I dream. I do believe people still can make a difference in one way or another as we are all teachers in this world and we have the power to change many things.

Parkour is something very real, so real! Learn how to train outside, in the woods, in nature, in all sorts of places and do as your body tells you. Thats the only way youll ever come anywhere close to how David feels. Open your eyes to what you are doing!! Not just train what you saw in the latest video, or copying techniques from certain groups, who cares about those things! They are all limited, but your mind and your heart... They are NEVER limited.

Like Thomas said;

""I cannot tell the future of official Parkour, but as Hebertiste said, it is highly predictable if nothing changes. I speak about "official" Parkour since it doesn't belong to anyone. Some people just want to make it theirs (PAWA or others) but as long as there will be free men, there will be free Parkour.""

YES. Thats Parkour. At the end of the day if these people want to use communities, if kids want to fall for it, then FINE. If you are strongminded you will not let it effect you and no matter whats going on you will and can always have that same spirit inside. Train with your hearts. Use information to find your own path. Be real. Thats all I can only repeat over and over again.

I dunno... Ill probably look at this later and realize theres 100's more things to say but its hard... What I need to say I cant say... Only feel ... Only show...
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Thu 08 Jun 2006 : 20:33

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Yes, yes, YES!!!

Thank you so much for putting this up.

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"Etre fort pour etre utile."
"The best part of falling is getting back up again." -David Belle

.78 Chance

Thu 08 Jun 2006 : 23:30

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That was an amazing read, and unbelievably inspirational.

Parkour is about the spirit, not the show.

Thanks for posting this.

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gmpianoman

Thu 08 Jun 2006 : 23:36

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Saw it on .net. I am sad the way parkour is going but, I really like this write-up.

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Acton Traceur

Fri 09 Jun 2006 : 01:05

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Indeed, very sad.

Truly an inspirational piece.
VERY, inspirational.

This opened my eyes to Parkour, made me understand it more.
Not to limit myself to others, but find my own limits.
Not to make a video to show others "Hey! look what I can do."
From this day on, I am putting down the camera for people, and training for myself.

-Jaynich

wasabe

Fri 09 Jun 2006 : 11:54

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::applause::

::standing ovation::

::encore!::

I do impossible things because I never called them impossible.

LockDown

Fri 09 Jun 2006 : 17:22

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very nice this article post opened up my eyes alot more to parkour. thanks for the repost ACE

"To Be and To Last"

cak010

Fri 09 Jun 2006 : 19:13

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Ok, I feel obligated to post a reply here to point out some things and explain a little as well so as to provide some more light on certain aspects of what has been said:

First I applaud what was written insofar as being something put out there to help educate people. I agree with Hebertiste on a lot of what he says. He has a strong understanding of reality and an ability to see past the surface. I've learned a lot from him. For those who don't see it, one of the points he has made is what really is Parkour in it's practice today by most, and a seemingly constant amending to what it is and how to perceive it. This is a result of the sparse sharing of information from the powers that be...a problem that has existed from day one, causing such an unstable deeper understanding as it would now seem. So it can only be expected that the general confusion and supposedly false practices/beliefs be so prevalent. But hope is not lost and in recent experiences and interactions I've had, I'm led to believe the potential for proper spread is more likely than some think.

I am a believer in what I have learned personally from David, mostly from our first meeting in Los Angeles, California about a year ago. For me, there are two main ideas of Parkour philosophy that are focal points in my practice. One, always look for the path of progression. Obviously this includes and goes beyond the physical practices. This is something that helps me mentally and emotionally and aids in the choices I make in my life. Two, take what I've learned to help others. This includes teaching what I know physically and philosophically. This is why I am honored to have the role in my community that I have. I am in a position to help people and teach them what I believe so they can in turn help others. Something I really enjoy is when I can point out the path of progression to my friends who come to me with personal problems instead of letting them choose pointless reactions to negative situations. For me, these are aspects of my Parkour practice that I hold to firmly as positive influences on my life and try to impart on the community of which I am a member. They are also the reasons why I wrote the article about my first meeting with David.

Dan has some good points in his post about the things he learned from David and Cyril during their recent visit to the USA. I'm glad he finally posted up something about it. ;) Posting up useful information to help others is great and there is plenty in his post that educates. However, I think some things have been somewhat lost or forgotten in all of it. David and Cyril were here to promote their movie District B13. A movie in which they are the stars. I know David is not one who really enjoys the spotlight. He is a very humble, soft spoken, modest person. He doesn't seem to enjoy some of the aspects involved in being the star and being famous. When one is the star, people will look to treat you a certain way. Also, when on a promotional tour for the movie in which you are the star, you are bound to run into a whole slew of misgivings including legal liabilities, press expectations, miscommunication, and misrepresentation. I respect David and Cyril's choice to not give in to the problems brought about by the miscommunication between the PR people and the management of the location for the demo. It's the same choice Dave Chappelle made when he left his show to take a sabbatical to Africa. As a star, you are often treated as a commodity and not a person. How you handle it will determine your longevity and place in stardom as well as your sanity as a human.

David and Cyril went to NY and LA on their District B13 tour. The two locations received their visit very differently. I was not in NY, but as I hear it, David was mobbed. Perhaps someone else can better comment on this, but again, as I hear it there was a rush of fans approaching him as a celebrity/commodity wanting pictures, autographs, and other such mementos to have as items of show (souvenirs) and fun anecdotes of the day they met David Belle. People even got interviewing time with him but didn't take the opportunity to ask him anything important or useful to the community. Instead they asked useless questions fishing for validation of misconceptions and future business decisions. Cyril was, for the most part, left alone and didn't receive the recognition that he deserves while there. I'm not saying they didn't have fun. I know David always enjoys seeing new people around the world participating in his creation. I'm not saying everyone in NY acted this way either, but that is how I heard the majority of it turned out. I think those who helped make it possible for so many people to meet someone they look up to should be commended. However, with everything in mind, it makes sense as to how being treated this way added to David's frustrations that he was already feeling from the PR promotional treatment. In LA, the vibe was very different. While there was still the frustration from the events mentioned above regarding the demo as well as the lack of rest one gets while traveling and touring, David and Cyril found a much more relaxed and desirable time in LA. They were able to play at UCLA during the little free time allotted to them. They had a great time and desire to come back. The traceurs here did not treat them as commodities. While we definitely were in awe of their skills and knowledge, they were treated as humans, both David and Cyril. We got to share in common experiences and realities (ie. bailing a technique and getting back up).

Since Dan was both in NY and LA, and was able to speak French with David and Cyril we (in LA) allowed him to do a lot of the talking and have been looking forward to his writeup with the words of wisdom that were imparted to him by David and Cyril. After reading the post Dan made, which I figure is a partial writeup ;) I remember seeing David in his element at UCLA as well as his frustration with the movie promotion. I know that Dan doesn't have high regard for America in general. But I think Dan has grouped the two different locations (NY and LA) and the movie promotional problems all into one out of his own distaste for America. So, I was disappointed to read certain aspects of his post that I know are false. I know Dan was honored to speak directly with David and Cyril in their native languages and both David and Cyril were very pleased to not need to be translated to converse with him. However, to claim David said everything in both cities was fake is not true. What was fake to him were the aspects of stardom. He felt the movie promotional events and rush of people looking for anecdotes and souvenirs were fake. No doubt, that stuff is all vanity and, like I mentioned earlier, part of what happens when one becomes a star. However, I know for a fact that from my personal time with him and what he said here that his trip was not comprised of just that. He voiced that his time spent being able to play, train, and share reality with the traceurs in LA was real. Being able to take people like Ace and myself aside and teach Parkour was real. Discussing events that he wants to do and participate in to help this community was real. If this sounds like a rant, it's not meant to. I'm merely pointing out that certain aspects of Dan's post are not fully explained and effectively put down a community that has David's approval and personal hand in it's development.

As a part of the Parkour community in the USA, I too am concerned with the unsure future of the proper spread of Parkour here. However, it would appear that this unsure spread is not just in America. As Thomas points out, as well as countless others, this is the case worldwide. I live in Los Angeles. As part of the first members of the Parkour scene here, with the help of many, especially trACEur and Westfury, and the influence of David, I have helped develop a community that shares the same positive beliefs and practices as mentioned above. As the USA representative of PAWA, I see the opportunity for me to try and steer the future of Parkour in the USA in the right direction. I do this as much as possible in the ways I know how. As Dan pointed out, David never really wanted to be an ambassador but rather impart his knowledge to certain people when the opportunities arise to meet "real" people so they can help others and promote what he has taught them. I'm honored to be one of these people and am happy Dan is too. We will do what we can to help promote Parkour properly and help others to do the same.

I'm sure there is more to be said, but I'm off for now.

"We want a change through parkour, not a change of parkour." -Erwan

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ACE

Sat 10 Jun 2006 : 04:26

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Link to the bail video - David Belle is Human

"Tell me how you MOVE, and I'll tell you who you ARE"

"For every person that says Parkour is what YOU want it to be, god kills a kitten." -Ruzkin

LockDown

Sat 10 Jun 2006 : 10:36

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man that looked like it would hurt really bad but he bounced right out of it.

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lethalbeef

Sat 10 Jun 2006 : 14:22

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As danno said, it's very difficult to articulate what it feels like to be a traceur in spirit, to talk about how much those words inspire me. I'd like to share my own thoughts on parkour philosphy, etc, but I don't know if it's even possible. All I know is how free I feel when I'm out there, and my frustration on occassion when I read things contrary to my own beliefs.
There is, however, one thing I can talk about, and that is bails. Falling is inevitable when you're doing parkour, no matter how much you prepare or practice. What I've learned from parkour is that it doesn't really matter. I think one of the most impressive moves in parkour (not to the camera, but to yourself) isn't a pulling off a roof jump or a giant kong or anything like that. It's falling and getting back up again. Sure some people get broken bones occassionally, but I've found it rare that my injuries get worse than bruises. Parkour really does prepare you--but in my opinion, more for your own accidents than running from cops or anything like that. Parkour has taught me how to fall, and I love that sensation. Clipping my feet, that split second of panick and helpnessless in the air, followed by an instinctive roll or something that saves me. I don't think I'll ever dislike unexpected bails. I'm never going to be a superhero, I don't expect to ever need to evade gangsters to defuse a bomb (though I often dream...). What I do know is that throughout my life, there are going to be bad times in my life, when I'm lost or confused and things aren't going my way, and now I have absolute confidence that I will be able to pick myself up, that I will be able to roll out of it.
I'm not sure if I agree with David's statement, "the best part of falling is getting back up." It doesn't always happen. I think it might work better this way: "The best part of parkour is falling and getting back up." In a way, that's what parkour's about.

"Bid me run, and I will strive with things impossible."

ACE

Sat 10 Jun 2006 : 14:39

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*applause* bravo!! Bravo!!! Great post Albert! Great Post!

"Tell me how you MOVE, and I'll tell you who you ARE"

"For every person that says Parkour is what YOU want it to be, god kills a kitten." -Ruzkin

The Nameless

Sat 10 Jun 2006 : 22:22

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I cannot express my delight to finally read some meaningful postings in a Parkour forum. Parkour in general is supposed to free people, and as such I was hoping to meet people who actually come up with _own_ opinions.
I am partly from NYC and was gonna attend that B13 screening with Cyril and David (if I wasn't stuck in Europe atm). However, I did saw the pictures and hyped up reactions on the nyparkour forum. And even without David sharing his personal impressions, the careful observer could still clearly see the mistakes that have been made. That still are being made all over the world I'm afraid! (Mistakes I will point out at the nypk forum... and you hopefully in case you're going to the PKUSA jam next weekend?)

On another note. I have seen the whole stardom thing... the way people start to treat, talk and look at you is an embarassment to nature. An embarrassment to mankind. An embarrassment to the unfullfilled potentials within oneself. There's nothing more powerful than humans who manage to remain a human. In every single detail.

And that's why I do Parkour. It turns out a few more of my potentials.
Screw them scandalous gap jumps. It are the little things which make most of the fun anyway.
It's good if one can handle the biz... but nothing tops the undistracted silence of a unique move in loneliness.

I'm proud to be one of you guys.

And David bailing that jump is honestly the best video I've seen in terms of inspirational impact. Lets hope others see that as well.

-> Le roi c'est mort. Vive le roi!... Never again!

Best from Germany,
- Frank aka "The Nameless" (as names are pointless)

ps: I only signed up in order to post this single reply to a truly outstanding thread. Please keep it up guys. I'm gonna be watching from halfway around the globe! ;)

pps: I really hope to have some jam/fun with you guys some day in the future

Life is too serious to always let it get you down... PK all the way!

UrbanRunningClothing

Wed 14 Jun 2006 : 22:03

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I really agree with Cliff on this one. I think if David spent time here just to be here, and not on a promotional tour i'd be different. I mean, for me, he's an example, a beacon, a man who I can learn and grow more understanding from. But when your a promotional tour, your not the creator of a discipline but your a movie star, your the guy who's on the big screen. So I think it came with the intention of his trip, and hopefully we all can help change this ever growing problem of parkour detiorating and Tricking and competitve free running taking it's place.

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Tue 03 Jul 2007 : 17:35

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i agree with everyone posts on here. David's Fall did look like it hurt. But im with Albert on this one. its not doing everything right and getting it all done (even though that helps a bit) its the falling that can truly make you better at what you are trying to accomplish. If you do fall.. and manage to salvage yourslef.. isnt that feeling great!?

a change from falling to freerunning/Parkour
People on websites need to learn that its not a competition, its training and excitement. Its not about who's the best. its NOT about being a big shot. Its not about telling people "look at me!" its about somehting more.. something i just quite cant explain..

Keep Body and mind as one.

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Tue 03 Jul 2007 : 17:48

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ohhh...nice trail-off orangemankb...very nice

Captain

Tue 03 Jul 2007 : 18:14

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I'm actually glad that you guys opened this thread up again from what, a year ago? This was a month before I had joined PKcali and didn't get a chance to read it. This is a great read and shouldn't be left in the archives of the past.

It wasn't until I read Albert's post up there talking about the feeling of falling and saving yourself that I remembered the instances when it happened to me and I gotta say, it really is a great feeling.

lethalbeef

Sun 08 Jul 2007 : 01:17

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And then you sprain a wrist and wonder what the point of it all was in the first place if you couldn't roll out of that...

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serafino

Sun 08 Jul 2007 : 02:51

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That was an amazing inspirational article. I always thought I knew why I trained Parkour this has made me really think about why I do it. I don't think I will ever do Parkour again when someone asks me to. Again a really good article I wish I could say more about this but it has changed many of my thoughts about Parkour and I think I need to ponder these for a while. Its just awesome.

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Courage

Sun 08 Jul 2007 : 03:22

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It was a good read which really opened up my minds inner eye. Lately I've been doing a lot of independent research on what the philosophy of Parkour is/was and I believe I have found my answer. This article has changed the way I will do Parkour. I will no longer do it but I will use it.

I am not Mr. Hammer anymore, but something more.

serafino

Sun 08 Jul 2007 : 14:15

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I think I agree with the urban running clothing guy. If David and Cyril were to come back as teachers and not promotors I think people would treat them differently. If your promoring a movie your a movie star if your a teacher you are respected by your students. I know I would ask completely different questions if I were to ever meet David or even talk to him which is still very unlikely to happen. I just think much diiferently of David now. Thanks Cliff for opening up my eyes.

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Socrates

Sun 08 Jul 2007 : 15:32

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Wow best reading I have had in awhile. From this day on I will not Parkour for other people and I will only do it for myself. I am done being a monkey and performer. I am a traceur and I do Parkour to make me better not to entertain others. I think its time for me to start thinking about what my philosophy is sence I have been training for about a year now. Thanks traceurs. Its great to know that there are people out there like me!

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Taylor

Fri 06 Mar 2009 : 04:51

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Great read, surprised I've never seen this before! O.o

Training for strength and flexibility is a must. You must use it to support your techniques.
Techniques alone are no good if you don't support them with strength and flexibility." - Bruce Lee

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you'll have to shut your mouth, grit your teeth, and put in the work" - Joe Defranco

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Fri 06 Mar 2009 : 12:03

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First time i saw thaat vid and saw Belle crash, it made me realise how much precision is needed for what we practice.

and its just that a practice, one can never "master" it because theres always a gap, alwasy a wall that cant be conquered

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Fri 06 Mar 2009 : 20:13

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Taylor wrote ...

Great read, surprised I've never seen this before! O.o

Same! This is an unbelievable article!

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